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10 February 2012 @ 01:30 am
Page 190 of Blood Promise by Richelle Mead:

Several moments passed, and then [Mark] exhaled.

Uhoh. One of the supporting characters has just clearly passed out and the narrator doesn't know it yet. Oh wait, no, he exhaled after several moments just in time to speak?

What do you know! I can hold my breath for only a minute, but this half-human, half-vampire (who still needs oxygen) is apparently just the most amazing thing since SCUBA equipment.

alskdjflaskdjf Richelle, learn what a minute is! And then learn what several of them together are! And if it takes trying to hold your breath for that long to really, truly grasp the meaning of such things...then perhaps you shan't forget it again.

That ends this short edition of Kiwi Has a Pet Peeve. Back to reading and ripping CDs at Carla's house in the middle of the night. (Actually, it's 1am--hardly the 'middle' of the night.)

ETA: You clever lot are totally right. Moment =/= (does not equal) minute. I think my sensitivity to it at the moment comes from the fact that I'm nearly certain she has used "minute" and "minutes" in the same context throughout her series, and I was trying to nab an example, but this was not an example of that at all. :P (And, for the record, I use 'several moments' or variants of it in my writing, too, so I totally can't fault her there!)
By-the-Wind Sailorkama_of_the_roo on February 10th, 2012 06:37 am (UTC)
He's probably secretly an olympic swimmer.
Kiwi Crocus: Nature || Pug question.cranky__crocus on February 11th, 2012 12:18 am (UTC)
Yes, I think that's the secret. :D

Edited at 2012-02-11 12:21 am (UTC)
?elsceetaria on February 10th, 2012 12:13 pm (UTC)
Well, since he is half-vampire, maybe he doesn't need oxygen as often as a full human would.

Also, she said moments, not minutes. For many people, moment is equal not with minute but with Merriam-Webster definition 1b) a comparatively brief period of time or from their student dictionary "a brief portion of time."

I don't read that and automatically think he held his breath for several minutes.

He does seem to have super human powers though.
CaroRulescarorules on February 10th, 2012 05:37 pm (UTC)
I tend to agree here.
Kiwi Crocus: HP || McMin || Wheelchair paper.cranky__crocus on February 11th, 2012 12:26 am (UTC)
Yeah, she makes valid points. (: I explained in a response to her: I think Richelle Mead's previous use of "minutes" (the word) in similar places has made me super sensitive to such things in her text.
Kiwi Crocus: Dar Williams || Magic's in the Learning.cranky__crocus on February 11th, 2012 12:25 am (UTC)
I did wonder about the half-vampire thing, but I'm pretty sure that in at least the part of the series I've read (the first four books), no mention was made of dhampirs (the half-vampires) having any different sort of breathing requirements.

And yeah, you're totally right on that definition of 'moment'. I'm prone to doubting myself after people have caught me out, but I'm almost completely positive that Richelle Mead has also used "several minutes" in text for similar things, which makes me sensitive to "moments" in her text as well--as if she has made them synonyms in my mind when I read her work, since she uses 'minutes' in a similar way. Like a person staring and not noticing that something is happening for several 'minutes', even when there is nothing else happening in the room and the person's sole role in that moment is to notice that thing.

I do admit that my mind is more likely to align 'moment' and 'minute' than most (I have no idea why), so it could just be that... But Richelle is also super loosey-goosey with the 'minute' concept, so I think it makes me hyper-sensitive to it, given my pet peeve.
?elsceetaria on February 11th, 2012 02:49 am (UTC)
I'm sorry if I made you doubt yourself. :) I didn't mean to do that. I was just trying to comment.

If she's used minute before, then eh.

I own the first book, but I haven't read it (I won it a few years ago in a contest). If I ever do, I'll have to keep an eye out for that.

Kiwi Crocus: Nature || Turquoise peacock feathers.cranky__crocus on February 11th, 2012 04:47 am (UTC)
Oh, no, please don't worry about that! You didn't make me doubt myself; I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself. It's all about my personal response to what others say, eh? You don't put the 'feel self-doubt' command into your words; my brain does. Sad fact there! Please, keep commenting!

My mother picked the first book up for me at random (Christmas present suggestion by a random girl at a bookstore) and I read through it. Decided to read through the series. I liked that much of it is based on female friendship, although of course there's lots of romance in there too, to make it a popular teen vampire book haha.

And please, don't keep an eye out for it! :B Don't drive yourself as mad as I drive myself! :S
?elsceetaria on February 11th, 2012 05:53 am (UTC)
Have I ever commented about how much I LOVE your peacock icons. They are gorgeous, and if I magically steal them you shall know from whence they came.

(Sorry, I have more than a minor thing for peafowl. XD )

It's okay. I do that myself to a degree. I get seriously self conscious about anything and everything under the sun.

It can be so interesting about how we end up reading what we end up reading sometimes.

Chances are by the time I get around to reading the books, I won't remember to look. It is in Georgia with the majority of my horde while I'm half away across the country. :( Either that or I will note it then I'll drive myself mad (although most would already classify me as mad already :) ) tring to remember why that seemed significant to look for. :)
Feather Quillfeatherxquill on February 10th, 2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
Moment or minute? I don't think moment = minute. I would have thought 'a few moments' was more akin to like, ten seconds or something. At least, that's always how I read 'moment'. It's not a measurable unit of time, but more just a...noticeable amount, I guess?
Kiwi Crocus: Nature || Pink tree contrast.cranky__crocus on February 11th, 2012 12:28 am (UTC)
Yeah, you're totally right about the moment thing. (: (I still read it weirdly, but most of the time I know that I'm the one reading it strangely. I have no idea why they've become semi-synonymous in my mind.)

I think I'm sensitive to it in Mead's case because I have seen her use "minutes" in a similar way. I mean, I'm doubting it now because I tend to, but I'm almost completely positive that there were a number of times I saw "minutes" used literally and gone, "Okay, how is this taking minutes? / Why is this character standing and doing nothing for minutes? / Why has this character not noticed this for that long when nothing else is happening?"
CaroRulescarorules on February 10th, 2012 05:36 pm (UTC)
Don't get mad at Richelle, we still like her :)
Kiwi Crocus: Nature || White horse head.cranky__crocus on February 11th, 2012 12:29 am (UTC)
Hahaha I'm not really mad and definitely still reading. :D Onto the next book now!
CaroRulescarorules on February 11th, 2012 02:56 pm (UTC)
I'm halfway through the first one, I listen to the audio book, the narrator gal is pretty great!
tt: WTFtwisted_twister on February 10th, 2012 08:01 pm (UTC)
I hate similar things in my fiction, but in this case I tend to agree with some people here that argue that moment is a short period of time which isn't equivalent to the scientific sixty-seconds formal minute. It's the same in my language: there are two terms, most people think that they are the same, but while one means exactly sixty seconds, the other indicates an unmeasurable short period of time. Sorry to kill your pet peeve.
Kiwi Crocus: Readwrite || Candlelight reading.cranky__crocus on February 11th, 2012 12:31 am (UTC)
You're totally right with the 'moment' thing. :D It was an over-reaction on my part based on the fact that I'm (pretty positive) that the author has used "minutes" in a similar context throughout the book, and that has been what's peeved me. I just saw this one (wrong, I now see) example in my not-sleeping haze and was like, "Oh I have to post this as an example!" Only, it was an example of the wrong thing--her using 'moments' instead of 'minutes' which, as you pointed out, is totally justified haha.

Talk about jumping the gun!

My pet peeve lives on, unfortunately.
Rosa | ¯\(ºдಠ)/¯: booksrosaxx50 on February 10th, 2012 11:21 pm (UTC)
Blood Promise is one of the VA books I only read once so I don't remember this at all? But I use 'several moments' a lot when I write, so I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he waits for what is an implied five or six seconds.

Though lol @ your response being going straight back to reading.
Kiwi Crocus: HP || McMin || Braided concern.cranky__crocus on February 11th, 2012 12:35 am (UTC)
You're totally right on the 'several moments' thing. My real pet peeve is with 'several minutes' - which I am next to positive that Richelle does, but that was not what I captured last night when I thought I was capturing my pet peeve. :Þ

I will probably notice it again (use of 'minutes') if she does it again, but I doubt this time I'll post it because, as much as I love my intelligent flist being quick to correct, it does set my stomach off a bit for being silly (my conscience is a beech). Unless it's incredibly silly again, like a woman at the front of a room calling student names and not noticing for several minutes (I'm almost certain in that case it was minutes, but again I may be wrong) that one of the students hadn't walked up. Even though she couldn't call the next name until that student came up.

Although I admit to feeling very silly now, so I think I shall just jump straight into the book (onto Spirit Bound now) where it is nice and safe and nothing is my problem. :B

(I can't see myself reading Blood Promise again, particularly...)
Rosa | ¯\(ºдಠ)/¯rosaxx50 on February 11th, 2012 04:30 am (UTC)
Yes, Mead definitely used it before. Especially in the last one you quoted (I read the book a couple of months ago, and definitely remember the use of minutes while Rose was spacing out. My face went O_o as well, since these people are supposed to have fast reflexes.)
Kiwi Crocus: Seasonal || Winter branch.cranky__crocus on February 11th, 2012 05:57 am (UTC)
I'm glad you noticed it too haha. I always get afraid, suddenly, that I was actually wrong and made things up. But I was pretty sure, based on remembering my similar O_o expression, that I wasn't making this up haha. I just quoted the wrong thing. (I don't have those books any more; I returned them to the library. Currently I have Blood Promise, which I just finished, Spirit Bound which I'm reading now, and Last Sacrifice [I think?] which is I believe the final one?)

I'm kinda going O_o at the plot of Spirit Bound so far, but I just started it, and at least it's going to have Rose and Lissa together. And currently involves Mia, whom I now looove. I want to ship her with people too now that she's all epic! :D
Rosa | ¯\(ºдಠ)/¯: comics: Elaine & Mazikeenrosaxx50 on February 11th, 2012 06:56 am (UTC)
Lol, on the bright side, I don't think her timing's off while writing fights. Now that would be a problem.

Oh I love Mia, especially since she's one of the few vamps with a tan in the books. The funny thing is, I started a meta about Rose and Lissa's relationship, with ~1500 words of repeating material (because I ramble like that), but the point is that I enjoyed their separation. It made me see how the two rubbed off on each other even when they weren't present, and had the advantage of Lissa socking someone. So yeah, as much as I love Rose and Lissa going on highly illegal missions together, I liked them individually too.

I hope your Janine femme-slash sensibilities haven't been damaged? I still don't see any canon that contradicts her getting some, considering Rose's father is absentee of the year.

Last Sacrifice is the last in this series, but there's a spin-off series called Bloodlines (and I'm telling you now before you make an post about the threads left dangling at the end of LS). The first book is out, and it's my favourite of the VA books